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zakmac12
08-Jul-10, 21:38
I'm president of a group of Youth Activists called Young Americans for Liberty (http://www.yaliberty.org/). I simply run the local chapter, but the organization is loosely nationally organized.

http://www.freestateproject.org/files/images/yal.jpg

To give you an idea of what it's like, here's our mission statement I wrote for our chapter in my town:

We are the Young Americans for Liberty (YAL). As Americans we recognize the natural rights of life, liberty, and property set forth by our Founding Fathers. Our country was created to protect the freedoms of the individual and directed by we the people.

Our goal is to cast the leaders of tomorrow and reclaim the policies, candidates, and direction of our government. We will actively promote a return to a constitutionally limited government, a sound monetary policy, a sensible foreign policy of armed neutrality, a truly free-market economy, and deep respect for civil liberties.

We recognize that freedom deserves responsibility and therefore we hold ourselves to a high moral character and conduct. Integrity emphasizes our stance towards action. Principle defines our outlook towards government. Peace and prosperity drives our ambitions towards our countrymen.

We inherit a corrupt, coercive world that has lost respect for voluntary action. Our government has failed and dragged our country into moral decay. The political class dominates the agenda with a violent, callous, controlling grip. And, for this we do not stand.

We welcome limited government conservatives, classical liberals, and libertarians who trust in the creed we set forth.

WE, as Young Americans for Liberty believe:
THAT government is the negation of liberty;
THAT voluntary action is the only ethical behavior;
THAT respect for the individual's property is fundamental to a peaceful society;
THAT violent action is only warranted in defense of one's property;
THAT individuals own their own body and responsible for their actions;
THAT the US Constitution is to be followed as intended by the Founding Fathers;
THAT undeclared war is unconstitutional;
THAT fiat money is a threat to economic liberty;
THAT immigration to America is a privilege, not a right;
THAT the unborn is an individual and therefore protected;
THAT protecting one's family and property by bearing arms is a right;
THAT society is a responsibility of the people, not the government.

If you identify with ANY of these principles, then we'd happily welcome you to the philosophy!

Here's the national site:

http://www.yaliberty.org/

AiRsTrIkE
08-Jul-10, 21:57
I agree with pretty much everything you said, except a right to property. We have the right to earn property, to pursue it, not to have it handed to us.

zakmac12
08-Jul-10, 21:59
I agree with pretty much everything you said, except a right to property. We have the right to earn property, to pursue it, not to have it handed to us.
Read James Madison's essay on Property (Titled "Property") and you'll see what I mean by property.

To summarize it, Property is everything that you have dominion over that everybody else has the same right to pursue dominion over it for themselves.

So your opinions, your body, your house (which you earn), your thoughts, your job (which you earn), and so on and so forth.

AiRsTrIkE
08-Jul-10, 22:11
I'll get right on that. Er...tomorrow. Too late for me now.

zakmac12
08-Jul-10, 22:12
I'll get right on that. Er...tomorrow. Too late for me now.

Well, I read specifically in my post what you were speaking of. And when we speak of a right to property, we are essentially speaking of a right to earn property, or a right to have property if you earn it. So yes, you are correct in your opinions, same as the founders'.

CCCP
08-Jul-10, 22:18
I agree, but I'm not paying to join...

Kane
08-Jul-10, 22:20
You talk about everyone can do whatever they want to their bodies since it's there, then you talk about no abortion since i has rights. It's not born yet so it still part of the mother and she can do whatever she wants with it.

zakmac12
08-Jul-10, 22:25
You talk about everyone can do whatever they want to their bodies since it's there, then you talk about no abortion since i has rights. It's not born yet so it still part of the mother and she can do whatever she wants with it.

This is a major debatable issue. Everywhere. There are chapters of YAL that are more liberal on this and side with a woman's "right to choose".

The three major fundamental rights are life, liberty, and property. Property stems from liberty, liberty from life, therefore, life is the most important right and value to uphold.

I PERSONALLY believe that there is no such thing as a "Right" to an abortion (rights are nature-given, privileges are gov't given). When it comes down to Mother's life is in danger and she wants an abortion, then it's her choice. But I don't think we should blatantly let people destroy life. Regardless if it's "part of the mother" or it's its own being.

I agree, but I'm not paying to join...

While this is understandable, it is really worth it. You get invited to tons of great activities (for example, I was supposed to go spend a weekend in NC for YAL next weekend, but I have to lead a parade in my hometown), you get a quarterly magazine that is really nice, and you get free stuff and deals.

It used to be free, but they decided to start charging to sustain the new stuff. It is worth it, but I respect your decision not to join. I recommend you at least follow the blog and stuff though, definitely worth it.

AiRsTrIkE
08-Jul-10, 22:25
You talk about everyone can do whatever they want to their bodies since it's there, then you talk about no abortion since i has rights. It's not born yet so it still part of the mother and she can do whatever she wants with it.

No, then it's somebody else's body.

zakmac12
08-Jul-10, 22:31
No, then it's somebody else's body.

See what I mean? This is a touchy and sensitive issue. Even Libertarians are split on it, liberty of the mother vs. liberty of the fetus/baby is hard to decide.

But don't let this become an abortion debate thread :p it's just one issue.

Kevin
08-Jul-10, 23:10
So I creeped and found Zak's YAL website. Nice supplement Mr. Slayback.

And I may have found his address too in case anyone wants to mess with that. But not.

But yeah I'm considering creating a chapter myself if I get some people interested. So thanks for sharing this, Zak.

zakmac12
08-Jul-10, 23:11
So I creeped and found Zak's YAL website. Nice supplement Mr. Slayback.

And I may have found his address too in case anyone wants to mess with that. But not.

But yeah I'm considering creating a chapter myself if I get some people interested. So thanks for sharing this, Zak.

No problem. I've got around 10 people in mine, but after the initial group, it gets hard to recruit, people just don't care.

My major focus is going to be campaigning honestly...if I can get either party to get out a good liberty-minded candidate I'd be happy. And that's obviously not coming from the dems.

Oh...and if you sign up <_< Mention my name if asked for a reference...it'd be helpful

Kevin
08-Jul-10, 23:19
No problem. I've got around 10 people in mine, but after the initial group, it gets hard to recruit, people just don't care.

My major focus is going to be campaigning honestly...if I can get either party to get out a good liberty-minded candidate I'd be happy. And that's obviously not coming from the dems.
Yeah, there really aren't that many out there these days. The system is so perverted and the people keep eating up the same damn lies.

Oh...and if you sign up <_< Mention my name if asked for a reference...it'd be helpful
Will do!

MerX Back 91
27-Jul-10, 00:45
I agree, but I'm not paying to join...

This.

Jesse the Great Tsar
13-Apr-11, 16:41
Well this is frustrating.

Neo-liberals who hate the Pauls are willing to support Neo-cons.

I'm gonna go kill myself....