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Kevin
21-Jun-10, 12:19
According to one website, citing sources from the New England Journal of Medicine, the Navy, and the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, there have been at least that number.

I haven't seen the sources, so I'll take this with a grain of salt, but they seem rather confident in their numbers. I'll post some of it here so you guys don't have to click a link, but the link will be provided as well if you wish to read the whole article, and not just the highlights.

American Military Casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan Now Exceed 500,000 (Part 1 of 2)
PENTAGON FUDGES THE NUMBERS TO PLACATE AMERICAN PUBLIC

ince 2001, the Pentagon has sought to downplay overall U.S. military losses by artfully redefining what is a combat-related “casualty.” It has published and then changed the rules several times regarding the reporting of casualties. Currently the Pentagon uses DoD Instruction 1300.18 to arbitrarily separate out “wounded in action” from non-battle injuries. Wounded in action is narrowly defined to essentially be an injury directly caused by an adversary. So called “friendly fire” injuries and deaths would apparently not be counted. The emphasis is on acute injuries caused by enemy munitions which pierce or penetrate.

Under this scheme, chronic injuries and many acute internal injuries such as hearing impairment, back injuries, mild traumatic brain injuries, mental health problems and a host of diseases suffered by personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan are usually not counted as being war-related regardless of how debilitating they are. They are either generally lumped into the category of “non-hostile wounded” or simply not counted at all.

Officially, the Pentagon admits that approximately 5,500 troops have been killed and only 38,000 wounded, amounting to 43,500 total casualties. What is left out (according to such sources as the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, the New England Journal of Medicine and the U.S. Navy) are:

- 170,000+ cases of hearing damage;

- 130,000+ cases of mild traumatic brain injuries; and

- 200,000+ cases of serious mental health problems.

If these data are included, the total well exceeds 500,000. Even that total would not include:

- over 30,000 serious disease cases, including a disfiguring, parasitic disease called leishmaniasis, which results from bites of sand flies;

- hundreds of thousands of minor disease cases which can be generally characterized as gastrointestinal (i.e., resulting in diarrhea, headaches, stomach cramps etc.). They are all the result of bacterial, viral or parasitic infections which usually have limited, short-term consequences, but not always;

- hundreds of accident injuries. For example, roadway accident injuries suffered by members of a quick reaction force heading to an ambush location are apparently not counted as combat-related;

- thousands of cases of respiratory disease linked to exposure to toxic burn pit smoke;

- hundreds of suicides;

- thousands of cases of back, spinal and foot injuries due to the wearing of cheap and unnecessarily heavy body armor (when lighter titanium layered Kevlar is available).

Later in the article they give examples of the decibels produced by the weaponry there.

Either way, I think we can all agree that the Pentagon's redefining of the word "casualty" is misguiding the public about what these wars have done to a vast amount of American men and women.

Here's the link: http://kabulpress.org/my/spip.php?article15450

zakmac12
21-Jun-10, 14:37
It's all about the art, not the science, that is statistics. You have to lie with statistics. This source takes many more sources of deaths into account, such as later deaths and suicides, while the DoD takes strictly battle related (Deaths on the battlefield or following an injury from the battlefield) into account.

I'm sure the real number is higher than what they claim but 500.000+ seems a little extravagant.

Jesse the Great Tsar
22-Jun-10, 10:09
It's all about the art, not the science, that is statistics. You have to lie with statistics. This source takes many more sources of deaths into account, such as later deaths and suicides, while the DoD takes strictly battle related (Deaths on the battlefield or following an injury from the battlefield) into account.

I'm sure the real number is higher than what they claim but 500.000+ seems a little extravagant.

Half million is like the whole armed forces dieing twice.

Alastor
22-Jun-10, 10:13
Half million is like the whole armed forces dieing twice.

There are 1.5 million people on active duty right now. There are 1.5 million more in the reserves.

This doesn't count contractors (mercenary groups - Blackwater for example) or civilians (NSA, CIA, etc.) that also participate but that aren't military.

It's larger than it appears at first glance. Half a million is not all that much - oddly.

Chunky Monkey
28-Jun-10, 02:36
"wounded" is a relative term, alot of times the same person is counted more than once because they were admitted with wounds more than once, even if its just a bandaid and a slap on the ass and back to work.