Seeing Different Colors?

[Fargo]

I've always wondered if we see colors differently respectively. Colors don't actually "exist," but are rather interpreted by our brains. Could this mean that everyone sees the world in a completely different way than others? Could this also explain why some people don't like certain colors while others like them? Might this explain why I find Autumn drab and depressing while others find it the most beautiful time of year?

I've found some evidence to support my theory:
http://news.softpedia.com/newsPDF/Half-of-the-Women-See-More-Colors-than-the-Rest-of-the-People-58351.pdf

What is your take on this?

[Stevurn]

I've spent some of my spare time wondering this, yes. But then i realised that having an answer would serve no purpose to me other than the comfort of knowledge and wonderment. Boring.

[I'm not Goro this time]

I've thought of this many times. It is an interesting idea, how others may see the world different.

[Freet]

I've considered this possibility myself. In fact, I often wondered if we taste things differently. This would explain why some can actually stomach eating liver. :eek:

Now that's some nasty shit.

[President Camacho]

pot-talk time is it now?
looking at this through a scientific standpoint (as opposed to a hypothetical one), we humans see through a system of light distortion, concentration, and reflection, you have the retina, the iris, all that good stuff, but where we are concerned is the cones and rods,

cones and rods are the name given to the components of the eye responsible for contrast and tint, and almost everything involved with changing light into signals that are sent to your brains. One peculiar fact about there rod and cone formation is that they are random, like snowflakes, it is very rare to find two alike, the different numbers and alignments haven't been proven to have any significance as of yet but some doctors and scientists and lab-coaty people have theorized they do control what colors we see.

imagine wheel of fortune, you can do it, we believe in you, now imagine instead of numbers there are just colors on the wheel, as in the handy color wheel you see below, and the rods and cones inside your eyes determine how fast and long the wheel spins, landing on whatever orientation in the color wheel you see. fancy stuff.
http://www.artsparx.com/images/colorwheel-mini01.gif

[Freet]

pot-talk time is it now?
looking at this through a scientific standpoint (as opposed to a hypothetical one), we humans see through a system of light distortion, concentration, and reflection, you have the retina, the iris, all that good stuff, but where we are concerned is the cones and rods,

cones and rods are the name given to the components of the eye responsible for contrast and tint, and almost everything involved with changing light into signals that are sent to your brains. One peculiar fact about there rod and cone formation is that they are random, like snowflakes, it is very rare to find two alike, the different numbers and alignments haven't been proven to have any significance as of yet but some doctors and scientists and lab-coaty people have theorized they do control what colors we see.

imagine wheel of fortune, you can do it, we believe in you, now imagine instead of numbers there are just colors on the wheel, as in the handy color wheel you see below, and the rods and cones inside your eyes determine how fast and long the wheel spins, landing on whatever orientation in the color wheel you see. fancy stuff.
http://www.artsparx.com/images/colorwheel-mini01.gif

Yup...fun stuff alright, but it doesn't address the question at hand. Most of us are familiar with how the eye functions, but this only provides the signals for the brain to interpret. The question asked has more to do with how the brain interprets the signal. What my brain tells me is that color I interpret as blue since that's the way I was taught. What I don't know is if that blue is the same color as your brain interprets. You still call it blue since that's what you've been told all your life, but who knows if your brains interpretation matches my brains?

If I was able to peak into your brain and I saw what you call blue, I could just as easily see it as red. Clear as mud now right?

Damn this is tough to verbalize.

*Starts drawing charts and carving out a pointy stick to point with.*

[President Camacho]

Yup...fun stuff alright, but it doesn't address the question at hand. Most of us are familiar with how the eye functions, but this only provides the signals for the brain to interpret. The question asked has more to do with how the brain interprets the signal. What my brain tells me is that color I interpret as blue since that's the way I was taught. What I don't know is if that blue is the same color as your brain interprets. You still call it blue since that's what you've been told all your life, but who knows if your brains interpretation matches my brains?

If I was able to peak into your brain and I saw what you call blue, I could just as easily see it as red. Clear as mud now right?

Damn this is tough to verbalize.

*Starts drawing charts and carving out a pointy stick to point with.*


I know exactly what you are talking about, I also had a tough time verbalizing it. I could make something in paint but... i'm lazy and tired.

[Fargo]

I've spent some of my spare time wondering this, yes. But then i realised that having an answer would serve no purpose to me other than the comfort of knowledge and wonderment. Boring.
Bah, and I'd suppose the meaning of life isn't much more meaningful to a busy bloke like yourself. =P

[AiRsTrIkE]

I guess I can try to verbalize: assuming we all see gray the same...

Imagine you are in a fog: which colour would you more eaisly see: the colour you call red, or the colour you call blue?







You picked red, right?
That is because we all do see the same colours and this theory is stupid.

[Stevurn]

Bah, and I'd suppose the meaning of life isn't much more meaningful to a busy bloke like yourself. =P

Knowing the meaning of life would only be even more boring, even if you have no life like myself.

[Freet]

I guess I can try to verbalize: assuming we all see gray the same...

Imagine you are in a fog: which colour would you more eaisly see: the colour you call red, or the colour you call blue?







You picked red, right?
That is because we all do see the same colours and this theory is stupid.

Glad you were able to clear this up so easily. Since you are on a roll, explain why some people like the taste of...say spinach, and some can't stand it. Do we all taste the same taste? If so, then why the discrepancy?

It must have to do with perception. We choose what we like and don't like by what we perceive. Vision, as well as taste is a perception. So if we all perceive things differently, then how can you dismiss this question so out of hand?


So is this theory really that stupid? Or are you just unable to grasp it? Or better yet....

Is your head so far up your ass you didn't really hear the question?

[AiRsTrIkE]

Glad you were able to clear this up so easily. Since you are on a roll, explain why some people like the taste of...say spinach, and some can't stand it. Do we all taste the same taste? If so, then why the discrepancy?

It must have to do with perception. We choose what we like and don't like by what we perceive. Vision, as well as taste is a perception. So if we all perceive things differently, then how can you dismiss this question so out of hand?


So is this theory really that stupid? Or are you just unable to grasp it? Or better yet....

Is your head so far up your ass you didn't really hear the question?

We do taste the same tastes. It's just that some people like some tastes over others. We both see green, but both of us do not have to like it. It is not a matter of perception as much as it is of preferance.

[Freet]

We do taste the same tastes. It's just that some people like some tastes over others. We both see green, but both of us do not have to like it. It is not a matter of perception as much as it is of preferance.

What makes us prefer one thing over the other though?

Perception. Our brain takes the data from our sensory organs (eyes,ears,nose, taste buds, etc.) and processes it. How it is processed becomes what we perceive.

Liver has a disgusting taste, yet some people like it. Why? Because their brain is screwed up and mis-processing the data from their taste buds.

So, we absolutely cannot perceive things the same way or liver would not be in the meat counter. It would be where it belongs. Drawing flies in the dump.

[AiRsTrIkE]

What makes us prefer one thing over the other though?

Perception. Our brain takes the data from our sensory organs (eyes,ears,nose, taste buds, etc.) and processes it. How it is processed becomes what we perceive.

Liver has a disgusting taste, yet some people like it. Why? Because their brain is screwed up and mis-processing the data from their taste buds.

So, we absolutely cannot perceive things the same way or liver would not be in the meat counter. It would be where it belongs. Drawing flies in the dump.

If you called it perception, it would have to be a different kind of perception. I can guarantee you that a liver is a liver is a liver. It will taste exactly the same to nearly every person in the world (the exception being people who cannot taste anything), but the real question is: does that taste entice pleasure? That is the perception which is tentative, the actual taste is not.

[Fargo]

If you called it perception, it would have to be a different kind of perception. I can guarantee you that a liver is a liver is a liver. It will taste exactly the same to nearly every person in the world (the exception being people who cannot taste anything), but the real question is: does that taste entice pleasure? That is the perception which is tentative, the actual taste is not.
Bold claims. Have you ever brushed your teeth before eating something and find that the thing you're eating tastes like shit? In case you haven't, it doesn't taste remotely like toothpaste or the pleasurable food I had hoped to enjoy. If a little change like that causes food to taste terrible, how can you say that every body's tastebuds work exactly the same way? Just because something tastes good to two people doesn't mean they're tasting the same thing. Ice cream and mocha both taste good (in my humble opinion), but they do not taste the same.

[AiRsTrIkE]

Bold claims. Have you ever brushed your teeth before eating something and find that the thing you're eating tastes like shit? In case you haven't, it doesn't taste remotely like toothpaste or the pleasurable food I had hoped to enjoy. If a little change like that causes food to taste terrible, how can you say that every body's tastebuds work exactly the same way? Just because something tastes good to two people doesn't mean they're tasting the same thing. Ice cream and mocha both taste good (in my humble opinion), but they do not taste the same.

Please tell me you're draggimg this taste crap on just for argument's sake. 'Ice Cream and Mocha are both good but they don't taste the same hee hoo haahaa' Stop it. Back up and listen to yourself. You sound like an idiot, and I know you are not one. I mean--YES Things taste different, but not the same things, different things taste different, you little wiseass.

Oh, and that thing with the brushing teeth- that's called decay. Liver that has been sitting in a moist enviroment for a set amount of time at 98 degrees will TASTE, not be good-tasting, it will taste the same for any given person A or B.

You are seriously making this way too complicated.

[Fargo]

Please tell me you're draggimg this taste crap on just for argument's sake. 'Ice Cream and Mocha are both good but they don't taste the same hee hoo haahaa' Stop it. Back up and listen to yourself. You sound like an idiot, and I know you are not one. I mean--YES Things taste different, but not the same things, different things taste different, you little wiseass.

Oh, and that thing with the brushing teeth- that's called decay. Liver that has been sitting in a moist enviroment for a set amount of time at 98 degrees will TASTE, not be good-tasting, it will taste the same for any given person A or B.

You are seriously making this way too complicated.
I congratulate you on making no sense whatsoever.

Allow me to simplify my argument. Humans see in color, while dogs, cats, and the like see in black and white. Why is this? Because humans have more cones in their eyes. That being said, you mean to tell me that every human has the same number of rods and cones? You mean to tell me they are all arranged in the same way? You really believe that the brain interprets the signals it receives from the eyes in the exact same way?

I pray to God you agree with me and say "No." For the brain to interpret signals in the same way, the brain would have to be perfectly identical to others. This is already known to be not true, because of fluctuating IQ, varying development, color blindness, disorders, etc. Hell, some of us even get things called "glasses" to our own specific requirements (this is no fault to the brain of course). My point though is that the human brain is unfathomably complex, and the slightest change in a gene could drastically change its development. Further evidence can be shown by simply looking at a full spectrum with all of your friends and marking the points where the spectrum appears to end. That alone will prove that some of us see different colors than others, since each of your results will vary. So what about those colors they see that we can't? What do they look like? What color does the brain assign that part of the spectrum? And if it can assign colors that we don't know about, why can't the brain interpret other colors in different ways?

And please, give me a respectable response if you still don't understand my point.

[AiRsTrIkE]

I don't understand why you're switching between colour and taste arguments. They are both very different. Furthermore, I am done with this argument anyways. Claim 'victory' if you wish, but it is too hard for me to make my points any simpler.

[Freet]

I don't understand why you're switching between colour and taste arguments. They are both very different.

No, in respect to what we are discussing, they are very similar. And you needn't tell us you don't understand. That is obvious.


Furthermore, I am done with this argument anyways. Claim 'victory' if you wish, but it is too hard for me to make my points any simpler.

Sweet!

The problem is your points, while they were quite simple, they were also quite wrong. Fortunately, since you are leaving, we won't have to explain why to you again.

[Fargo]

It's not that his points are "wrong," because there's a good arguement to be held on both sides. I read both; I'm into physics and sciences. However, this debate isn't quite involved enough to get fired up over.

On another note- Jesus Christ that's a ton of icons. I hope that Gremlins plans on allowing the user to personally select icons to appear on the screen. It takes forever to reach the post button.

[Freet]

...However, this debate isn't quite involved enough to get fired up over.

When you were young were you the kid that others waited on the roof to throw water balloons on?

[Fargo]

When you were young were you the kid that others waited on the roof to throw water balloons on?
No, I was the kid throwing the balloon.

[Disturbed]

I've always wondered if we see colors differently respectively. Colors don't actually "exist," but are rather interpreted by our brains. Could this mean that everyone sees the world in a completely different way than others? Could this also explain why some people don't like certain colors while others like them? Might this explain why I find Autumn drab and depressing while others find it the most beautiful time of year?

I've found some evidence to support my theory:
http://news.softpedia.com/newsPDF/Half-of-the-Women-See-More-Colors-than-the-Rest-of-the-People-58351.pdf

What is your take on this?

Whatever your smoking I want some

[Argus Himp]

I always find myself wondering this but also. Is the world real. And why I was chosen to live in my body.

[Fargo]

I always find myself wondering this but also. Is the world real. And why I was chosen to live in my body.
That last part gets me a bit. No scientific explanation for somethig like that. Reality is not just numbers and physics; there is something far deeper than that.

[Vmag]

The Great Old Ones?

[Argus Himp]

That last part gets me a bit. No scientific explanation for somethig like that. Reality is not just numbers and physics; there is something far deeper than that.
Like sometimes I wonder what the people around me see. Or, just weird things. Like, do I exist or is the world just like this little video that I am watching.

[President Camacho]

yeah dude *hits bong* what if, we are just a computer simulation man, and the robots were like... i dunno man.

[The Gremìns]

I've always wondered if we see colors differently respectively. Colors don't actually "exist," but are rather interpreted by our brains. Could this mean that everyone sees the world in a completely different way than others? Could this also explain why some people don't like certain colors while others like them? Might this explain why I find Autumn drab and depressing while others find it the most beautiful time of year?

I've found some evidence to support my theory:
http://news.softpedia.com/newsPDF/Half-of-the-Women-See-More-Colors-than-the-Rest-of-the-People-58351.pdf

What is your take on this?

What if you ask them to describe the colors?

[Fargo]

What if you ask them to describe the colors?Could you really describe a color you percieve through any other way than "light" or "dark"?Blue looks like blue to them, because it is. How different people's brains percieve the same color is another story. The sky could look different for one person. Dunno. Makes a semi interesting topic of discussion though.

[The Gremìns]

I think the reason some people like colors that other people don't has more to do with personal taste than the actual color. Some people might have a bad experience connected with a color or any other reason why someone might not like something. It's the same reason why some people do not like certain designs and others do. It's just a different taste or different idea of what looks good.

[Jesse the Great Tsar]

I've always wondered if we see colors differently respectively. Colors don't actually "exist," but are rather interpreted by our brains. Could this mean that everyone sees the world in a completely different way than others? Could this also explain why some people don't like certain colors while others like them? Might this explain why I find Autumn drab and depressing while others find it the most beautiful time of year?

I've found some evidence to support my theory:
http://news.softpedia.com/newsPDF/Half-of-the-Women-See-More-Colors-than-the-Rest-of-the-People-58351.pdf

What is your take on this?

Wow, someone who actually thought something similar to myself.

[Kane]

I remember being told once that we actually don't see that many colors as we can and that like in like 5 base colors instead of our 3 base colors.

[Jesse the Great Tsar]

That last part gets me a bit. No scientific explanation for somethig like that. Reality is not just numbers and physics; there is something far deeper than that.

That is where religion kicks in, answering questions nothing else can.